Tiger PPC problems

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I’m having problems with completed restores on Tiger PPC’s. The log files look good but many apps just bounce and will not open. Here’s my procedure:
Test computers are 1GHz eMac’s
1. Installed Tiger from retail DVD
2. Ran software updates to get the correct order
3. Downloaded updates from Apple’s site
4. Installed iWork 08
5. Repeated steps 2 & 3
6. Installed iLife 08
7. Repeated steps 2 & 3

Here’s the pkg.log file to show the order:

Beginning Update Installs from ./AppleUpdates
Installed ./AppleUpdates/01/Java131and142Release2.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/02/iTunes.mpkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/03/MacOSXUpdCombo10.4.11PPC.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/04/J2SE50Release4.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/05/QuickTime745_Tiger.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/06/Safari311UpdPPC.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/07/SecUpd2008-003PPC.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/08/JavaForMacOSX10.4Release5.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/09/JavaForMacOSX10.4Release6.pkg
Beginning Update Installs from ./CustomPKG
Installed ./CustomPKG/01/iWork08.mpkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/02/iLifeSupport.mpkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/03/Keynote_402.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/04/Pages_302.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/05/Numbers_102.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/06/Keynote_403.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/07/createUser.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/08/iLife ’08.mpkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/09/iDVD_701.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/10/iPhoto_710.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/11/GarageBand_411.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/12/iWeb_203.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/13/GarageBand_412.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/14/iPhoto_712.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/15/RAWCamera.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/16/iPhoto_713.pkg

Using NetRestore 3.3.6 with ARD Kickstart and ClearReg Post-Restore Actions

Also tried with no CustomPKG’s and still have problems. Tried with no NetRestore Post-Actions and won’t continue past selecting keyboard language on OS X setup. Tried three different eMac’s and an iMac G5 too. Originally didn’t change any settings in instadmg.bash, then changed OS_REV=0 and CPU_TYPE=0, and rem’d Intel lines from “setup and create DMG” section. Still no luck.

Some questions I have:
What settings MUST be changed in the instadmg.bash script?
What does the ASR_TARGET_VOLUME variable in the script refer to?
Do you have to run the script on the same hardware that the restore will be performed on?
Has anyone successfully InstaDMG’d Tiger eMac’s?

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark

[Patrick Fergus]

> What settings MUST be changed in the instadmg.bash script?

None, AFAIK. It should work out of the box if provided with a disk image of an OS installer.

> What does the ASR_TARGET_VOLUME variable in the script refer to?

If you were going for a full-automation setup, where you’d install, image, and then restore to another partition on the disk, this is where InstaDMG would restore the disk image. Note you’d be looking at some sort of automated testing (i.e. Eggplant) to use this functionality.

> Do you have to run the script on the same hardware that the restore will be performed on?

Leopard, no. A 10.5.2 image built on a Mac Pro will restore successfully onto a G5.
Tiger, you’re bound by the fact that the OS install is either PPC or Intel. You’ll have to build on a machine that at least is the same processor family you’re attempting to restore to (which you’re doing since you’re applying 10.4.11 PPC).

> Has anyone successfully InstaDMG’d Tiger eMac’s?

No, I don’t have those machines in my stock. It should be possible in theory.

What happens if you take InstaDMG out of the box (er…zip), provide it with the OS image, and then run InstaDMG?

– Patrick

[pcs_mark]

Thanks for answering my questions Patrick, I appreciate it.

[QUOTE]

What happens if you take InstaDMG out of the box (er…zip), provide it with the OS image, and then run InstaDMG?

– Patrick[/p][/QUOTE]

That worked. I even tried ARD kickstart, ClearReg, and CreateUser as NetRestore Post-Actions and it worked. Do you think it could have something to do with the Apple Software update order?

Mark

[Patrick Fergus]

I’d suggest starting your updates with the 10.4.11 PPC Combo updater. It hopefully should put you in a position to do the least number of updates, and although I have no proof except personal experience it seems to make the most sense to put the major OS rollup at the beginning.

I have faint memories of a particular way of running SU (it might be starting with 10.3.0 and updating) that will attempt to install iTunes but fail because 10.3.0 isn’t recent enough….because 10.3.9 combo runs later in SU’s installation.

– Patrick

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I made some progress with the order. This worked:

Installed ./AppleUpdates/01/iTunes.mpkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/02/Java131and142Release2.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/03/MacOSXUpdCombo10.4.11PPC.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/04/J2SE50Release4.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/05/QuickTime745_Tiger.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/06/SecUpd2008-003PPC.pkg

Then I tried this:

Installed ./AppleUpdates/01/MacOSXUpdCombo10.4.11PPC.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/02/iTunes.mpkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/03/Java131and142Release2.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/04/J2SE50Release4.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/05/QuickTime75_Tiger.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/06/SecUpd2008-003PPC.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/07/Safari311UpdPPC.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/08/JavaForMacOSX10.4Release5.pkg
Installed ./AppleUpdates/09/JavaForMacOSX10.4Release6.pkg
08-06-11
09:06:46
Beginning Update Installs from ./CustomPKG
Installed ./CustomPKG/01/iLife ’08.mpkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/02/iLifeSupport.mpkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/03/iDVD_701.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/04/iPhoto_710.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/05/iMovie_710.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/06/GarageBand_411.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/07/iMovie_711.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/08/iWeb_203.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/09/GarageBand_412.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/10/iPhoto_712.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/11/iWork08.mpkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/12/Keynote_402.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/13/RAWCamera.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/14/iPhoto_713.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/15/Pages_302.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/16/iDVD_702.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/17/Numbers_102.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/18/iMovie_712.pkg
Installed ./CustomPKG/19/Keynote_403.pkg

and none of the iLife or iWork apps worked (just bounce), tried repairing perms with no luck. The version numbers are correct. Also, software update, Safari, and Automator didn’t work. I didn’t go through every app but it’s hit or miss, some launch and some don’t.

These tests were performed on iMac G5’s and eMacs. Has anyone had luck with Tiger PPC’s? Does anyone have a working sw update order for Tiger PPC’s? Unfortunately the time it’s taking me to test is beyond what I had planned and I’m afraid I’m going to have to go back to the old way [cringe] of imaging. Any suggestions would be welcomed!

Thanks,
Mark

[dano]

Disclaimer: I’ve only been testing under Leopard but I did experience issues related to iLife just like what you’ve described.

The issue is such that the software upodate in question works fine if you are updating on your current boot volume but doesn’t work when installing to a non boot volume like your disk image. Check out a forum labeled “Apple updates and update order” and search for a post under my name. The update in question is iLifeSupport.mpkg and my post describes the fix. If the update is part of a combo updater you will probably have to view the contents of the combo updater in order to hunt down the problem package.

Hope this helps

[pcs_mark]

Thanks dano. I did read your post prior to testing but assumed I wouldn’t need the fix for Tiger. Are you recommending to check the iLifeSupport.pkg for problems or the 10.4.11 combo updater pkg?

[dano]

All you should need to do is check the iLifeSupport.pkg. Now that I think about it, iLife updates wouldn’t be rolled into a combo updater so ignore what I said about the v4.11 Combo updater.

[Patrick Fergus]

iLifeSupport.mpkg (“iLife Support 8.2”) borks a few things when run as a CustomPKG:

[url]https://www.afp548.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=45&showtopic=20776&highlight=ilife%20support[/url]

[url]https://www.afp548.com/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=45&showtopic=19945&highlight=ilife[/url]

specifically the “Desktop and Screen Saver”, “Spotlight”, and “Energy Saver” Preference Panes. Maybe it breaks the iLife apps themselves, depending on the subsequent updates applied? You can try either of the following:

– Drop iLifeSupport.mpkg from your CustomPKGs and all subsequent CustomPKG updates that have iLifeSupport.mpkg as a prerequisite (yes, this probably means you’ll have to do a plain, unupdated 10.4 install by hand, add iLife ’08, and then run Software Update repeatedly while unchecking iLife Support 8.2 each time to cause it to not run).
– Follow the instructions for editing postflight_actions near the end of the second URL referenced above.

Unfortunately Apple doesn’t always author their update packages to be installed on a non-boot volume. Some major ones (QuickTime) won’t work without setting a command-line option that is set automatically in InstaDMG (for example, QuickTime needs “export CM_BUILD=CM_BUILD” included in the installation script).

– Patrick

[pcs_mark]

OK, I’ll play around with this some more. I did verify the problem is iLifeSupport, I ran the OS updates and iWork and iLife with nothing else and it worked fine. Thanks again,

Mark

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