10.5_vanilla.catalog

[Brigandy]

I have InstaDMG (rev 339) and I noticed the “10.5_vanilla.catalog” file has the folowing:

Mac OS X 10.5.8 Combo Update
QuickTime 7.6.6 for Leopard
AirPort Utility 5.3.2 Leopard
AirPort Utility Software Update 5.4.2
AirPort Base Station Update 2010-001 5.5.1
Security Update 2010-004
Front Row Update 2.1.7
Java For MacOS X 10.5 Update 5
Remote Desktop Client 3.3.2
Java For MacOS X 10.5 Update 7
Security Update 2010-005

My question is this:

Why do we need the “Security Update 2010-004” if the “Security Update 2010-005” supercedes it?

BTW: I have found that if I remove the “Security Update 2010-004” and only install the “Security Update 2010-005”, “Software Update” is fine with it.

Why do we have both of these entries? Is there a reason for it?

[dead2sin]

[QUOTE][u]Quote by: Brigandy[/u][p]I have InstaDMG (rev 339) and I noticed the “10.5_vanilla.catalog” file has the folowing:

Mac OS X 10.5.8 Combo Update
QuickTime 7.6.6 for Leopard
AirPort Utility 5.3.2 Leopard
AirPort Utility Software Update 5.4.2
AirPort Base Station Update 2010-001 5.5.1
Security Update 2010-004
Front Row Update 2.1.7
Java For MacOS X 10.5 Update 5
Remote Desktop Client 3.3.2
Java For MacOS X 10.5 Update 7
Security Update 2010-005

My question is this:

Why do we need the “Security Update 2010-004” if the “Security Update 2010-005” supercedes it?

BTW: I have found that if I remove the “Security Update 2010-004” and only install the “Security Update 2010-005”, “Software Update” is fine with it.

Why do we have both of these entries? Is there a reason for it?[/p][/QUOTE]

No, it is probably just something that got overlooked. You should be fine to just do the 005 one and leave out the 004 one, especially since SWU doesn’t prompt for it. Typically the security updates are cumulative.

Nate

[larkost]

It is there because the last time I did a from-scratch install of 10.5 that is the list and order of things I had to install. If you care to do a from-scratch install and record that it is not necessary, then please do and tell me. And we pretty much bypass all of the safeguards that SoftwareUpdate puts in place, so just because it is happy with it does not prove that it is not needed.

[Brigandy]

[QUOTE][u]Quote by: larkost[/u][p]It is there because the last time I did a from-scratch install of 10.5 that is the list and order of things I had to install. If you care to do a from-scratch install and record that it is not necessary, then please do and tell me. And we pretty much bypass all of the safeguards that SoftwareUpdate puts in place, so just because it is happy with it does not prove that it is not needed.[/p][/QUOTE]

Well what’s it going to be larkost?

Why does Software Update want to update a system to “Security Update 2010-004” before updating it to “Security Update 2010-005”? Aren’t these updates cumulative? Aren’t these updates suppose to supersede the previous update? Why does Apple have us running around in circles?

Note:
If I manually download the “Security Update 2010-005” from Apple’s website and install it, I find that I can skip the “Security Update 2010-004” and not install it.

So what’s the deal here?

Why does “Software Update” want me to download a previous security update before it installs the latest one?

[Allister Banks]

Hey Brigandy,

Larkost is not responsible for the update methodology of Apple(or any other software developer for that matter) but he can certainly have an opinion. I don’t think any of our google-fu is strong enough(nor are release notes detailed enough) and our networking sure isn’t wide enough that we can just pick up a phone and ask.
It’s not really a big deal, though, and we can make a great educated guess as to why this is a robust way of going about ordering things: these software companies test updates that are triggered by running their native patching mechanisms; if Microsoft AutoUpdate says 12.2.6 supersedes previous patches, you would bet they’ve tested the heck out it before having that patch be applied to a large number of their installed customer base. It would only make sense that that’s the most “warrantee-able” method of applying the patch. The maintainers of 10.5_vanilla and the other catalog files are using a particular methodology to have it be that reliable, not to save 200MBs of space in the cache folder and 4 minutes of time in an InstaDMG build.

Yes, if 10.6.6 were live, I wouldn’t apply 10.6.4 and 10.6.5 ‘delta’ updates to my installed base, that’s just not best practice, and Apple wouldn’t list the updates in that order, either. In the case of 10.5 security updates, it’s been recorded that Apple did decide to order them that way, so we’re rolling with it
Feel free to weigh in with your thoughts on the subject, just my 2¢.

Allister

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